[ADDED] Felix Mendelssohn-bartholdy - Concertos pour Piano 1&2 [Classical music]
Felix Mendelssohn-bartholdy - Concertos pour Piano 1&2

Genre : Classical music
Year : 1992
Releaser : JiL9
Quality : Q6

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~ Tracks ~

Piano Concerto No. 1 in G minor, Op. 25
01. Molto allegro con fuoco 07:49
02. Andante 06:35
03. Presto 07:06

Piano Concerto No. 2 in D minor, Op. 40
04. Allegro appassionato 10:17
05. Adagio - Molto sostenuto 07:46
06. Finale: Presto scherzando 07:40

Capriccio brillant in B minor, Op. 22
07. Capriccio brillant in B minor, Op. 22 11:36

Rondo brillant in E flat major, Op. 29
08. Rondo brillant in E flat major, Op. 29 11:42
TOTAL : 70'30

Benjamin Frith, piano
Slovak State Philharmonic Orchestra, Kosice / 1992 - Stereo - DDD

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  Inne zespoły
No to ja Was zaskocze:

1. Wolfgang Amadeusz Mozart - Marsz Turecki; Requiem d-moll KV 626; Eine kleine Nachtmusik

2. Ludwig van Beethoven - Sonata Księżycowa (POLECAM!), Dla Elizy, Oda do radości

3. Jan Sebastian Bach - Trzeci Koncert Brandenburski

4. Antonio Vivaldi - Cztery Pory Roku

5. Piotr Czajkowski - Jezioro Łabędzie, Piano Concerto No.1 In B Flat Minor Op.23

6. Franz Liszt - Grandes etudes de Paganini, Consolation n.3 D flat Major, II Ungarische Rhapsodie

7. Robert Schumann - Fantasiestucke op. 12

To glownie tyle. Czy jest na tym forum ktos o podobnych gustach

  Inne zespoły
No to ja Was zaskocze:

1. Wolfgang Amadeusz Mozart - Marsz Turecki; Requiem d-moll KV 626; Eine kleine Nachtmusik

2. Ludwig van Beethoven - Sonata Księżycowa (POLECAM!), Dla Elizy, Oda do radości

3. Jan Sebastian Bach - Trzeci Koncert Brandenburski

4. Antonio Vivaldi - Cztery Pory Roku

5. Piotr Czajkowski - Jezioro Łabędzie, Piano Concerto No.1 In B Flat Minor Op.23

6. Franz Liszt - Grandes etudes de Paganini, Consolation n.3 D flat Major, II Ungarische Rhapsodie

7. Robert Schumann - Fantasiestucke op. 12

To glownie tyle. Czy jest na tym forum ktos o podobnych gustach



A wyobraź sobie, że tak...Choć może nie aż tak do końca, bo moi faworyci tworzyli także opery
Tyle tylko że ja wolę Giacomo Puccinni (Jego Nessun Dormę mam w kilkunastu wykonaniach) i Richarda Wagnera (ten to był zakręcony, taki ówczesny rocknrollowiec, nie przejmował się niczym, tworzył mimo krytyki, a Pierścień Nibelunga to wg mnie jedna z najlepszych oper)

[ Dodano: 2007-03-23, 19:29 ]

  VA - Best Film Classics 100 Vol 4 The Piano At The Cinema

Soundtrack

Tracklist:

01.Michael Nyman - The Promise 03:15
02.Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 21 06:47
03.Chopin - Prelude No.15 In D Flat raindrop 05:54
04.Mozart - Piano Concerto No.20 In D Minor K466 06:16
05.Chopin - Waltz In C Sharp Minor Op.63 No.2 04:14
06.Mozart - Rondo Alla Turca From Piano Sonata No.11 In 03:29
A K331
07.Mozart - Piano Concerto No.25 In C K503 07:10
08.Mozart - Piano Sonata No.11 In A K331 02:00
09.Beethoven - Immortal Beloved 03:58
10.Chopin - Nocturne In C Sharp Minor 04:24
11.Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No.1 In B Flat Minor 03:23
12.Satie - Gymnopedie No.1 03:35
13.Chopin - Waltz In D Flat minute Op.64 No.1 01:51
14.Beethoven - Fur Elise Bagatelle No.25 03:21
15.Chopin - Piano Concerto No.1 In E Minor Op.11 Chopin 03:52
16.Debussy - Clair De Lune Debussy 04:57
17.Chopin - Polonaise No.6 In A Flat Op.53 Chopin 06:46

Wielkość: 99 MB

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  Najwspanialsze utwory muzyki klasycznej
Sporo tego ;) Swoją drogą, kiedyś założyłem nawet temat dotyczący muzyki klasycznej. Może warto tam zamieścić pytanie ;)

No ale do rzeczy.

T. Albinoni -
Adagio in G minor

Beethoven -
Symnfonie 5,7,9
Violin Romance

J.S. Bach -
BWV - 565, 775, 779, 846, 1052, 1043, 924, 1009, 1041
Inwencje - 8, 12.
Air ( BWV 1068)
Ave Maria
Piano Concerto in A minor
Piano Conerto in E-flat minor
Cantata ( BWV 147)
Minuet et Badinerie
Toccata & Fugue in D minor
Baroque Violin in D ( nie jestem pewien czy to Bacha ;))

W. A. Mozart
Symfonia 25
Piano Concerto No. 21
Piano Concerto No. 5
Violin Conerto No. 3
Requiem
Symfonia 4
Symfonia 40. First Movement
Ave Verum Corpus
Fur Elise
Marcha Turka
Eine Kleine Nachtmusik
Fantasia in D minor
Sonata No. 16 C-dur

N. Paganini
Violin Concerto No. 2 in B minor, Op 7
Violin Concerto for Violin and Orchestra No. 5 ( A minor )
Violin Conerto No. 6 in E minor.
4th Violin Concerto
1st Violin Concerto
Caprice 24#
Caprice op. 1, No. 5
Caprice op. 1 No. 2

Liszt
- Mazzepe - Symphony Phoem

F. Chopin
Fantasie Impromptu Op. 66
Funeral March

Reszty nie pamiętam, jak sobie przypomnę dopiszę ;)

[ Dodano: Wto 11 Gru, 2007 ]
No tak. Zapomniałem o "Mozarcie podłączonym do prądu" ;) Chociaż on mi bardziej na Bacha wygląda tak nawiasem ;)

Yngwie J. Malmsteen
Fugue
Adagio
Cavallino Ramapnte
Toccata
Andante
Icarus Dream Suite
Sarabande
Allegro
Vivace
Presto Vivace
Finale
Prelude to April
Overture 1622
Overture 1383

  Great Movie Themes-Najlepsza muzyka filmowa
Great Movie Themes-Najlepsza muzyka filmowa

(orginalna) nieuzywana
Składanka zawierająca trzydzieści najlepszych melodii filmowych w historii kina, między innymi z Władcy Pierścieni, James Bond- Śmierć Nadejdzie Jutro, Chicago, Harry Potter, Pianista, Batman.
TRACKLISTA:

CD1:

1.) MISSION IMPOSSIBLE - Schifrin: Theme from Mission Impossible
2.) HARRY POTTER AND THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE - Williams: Harry's Wonderous World
3.) BABE - Saint-Saëns: Symphony No.3 "Organ", Scherzo
4.) COPYCAT - Fauré: Requiem, In Paradisum
5.) MINORITY REPORT - Schubert: Symphony No.8 'Unfinished', Allegro moderato (excerpt)
6.) EYES WIDE SHUT - Mozart: Requiem, Rex Temendae
7.) SE7EN - J.S.Bach: Orchestral Suite No.3 in D major, Air ('Air on a G string')
8.) SPEED 2 - Puccini: 'O mio babbino caro' from 'Gianni Schicchi'
9.) THE PIANIST - Chopin: Prelude in E minor, op.28, No.4
10.) THE BODYGUARD Parton: I will always love you 11.) TITANIC - Horner: My Heart Will Go On
12.) SCHINDLER'S LIST - Williams: Theme from Schindler's List
13.) FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL - Handel: The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba
14.) THE SIXTH SENSE - Schubert: 'Trout' Quintet, Theme Andantino and variations (excerpt)
15.) REILLY: ACE OF SPIES - Shostakovich: Romance from 'The Gadfly'
16.) DIE ANOTHER DAY - Arnold: Die Another Day.

CD2:

1.) LORD OF THE RINGS - Shore: Theme from Lord of the Rings
2.) BATMAN - Elfman: Main Theme
3.) APOCALYPSE NOW - Wagner: Die Walküre, Ride of the Valkyries
4.) THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT - Delibes: 'Viens, mallika' (Flower Duet) from 'Lakmé'
5.) CONSENTING ADULTS - Mozart: Piano Concerto No.21, Andante (excerpt)
6.) MANHATTAN - Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue (excerpt)
7.) WITCHES OF EASTWICK - Puccini: 'Nessun Dorma' from 'Turandot'
8.) LICENCE TO KILL - Barry: Theme from Licence to Kill
9.) FEARLESS - Gorecki: Symphony No.3, Lento cantabile - semplice
10.) THE LADYKILLERS - Boccherini: String Quintet in E major, op.13 No.5, Minuet
11.) THE SHADOWLANDS - Chopin: Prelude No.15 in D flat
12.) SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE - Warbeck: Suite from Shakespeare In Love
13.) ENTRAPMENT - J.S.Bach: Prelude No.1 from 'The Well-tempered Klavier', Book 1
14.) THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER - Sibelius: Finlandia.

lord of the rings, schindler's list, pianist, batman..

Jesli ktoś z Was zainteresowany jest kupnem tej niezwykłej składanki , składającej sie z 30 niezapomnianych utworów z najlepszych filmów kina
To bardzo serdecznie zapraszam na aukcje:

http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=276954031

Zapraszam Serdecznie

  50 Classical Masterpieces

DISC 1:

1. vivlaldi - symphony no. 1 - 1st movement 4:38
2. tchaikovsky - dance of the cygnets from "swan 2:18
lake"
3. mozart - symphony no. 40 - 1st movement 3:41
4. mendelssohn - dance of the clowns from "a 2:46
midsummer night's dream"
5. handel - water music - the hornpipe 4:53
6. bach - suite #3 - gavotte 4:07
7. bizet - torreadors march 2:35
8. strauss jr - waltz for orchestra, op. 333, rv 3:40
333, "wine, women and song"
9. vivaldi - the four seasons, winter 6:11
10. wagner - lohengrin, act 3, wwv 75 - prelude 3:43
11. vivaldi - the four seasons, summer - finale 5:02
12. schubert - rosamunde, ballet music, op. 26, d 5:23
797
13. grieg - peer gynt suite for orchestra #1, op. 2:36
46, in the hall of the mountain
kintchaikovsky: the nutcracker suite, dance of
the reeds
14. tchaikovsky - the nutcracker suite, dance of 3:35
the reeds
15. strauss jr - tritsch tratsch polka, op. 214, 3:03
rv 214
16. chopin - black keys study-etude 4:20
17. tchaikovsky - piano concerto #1 in b flat 2:22
minor, op. 23 - excerpt
18. giga - b major bwv 3:28
19. mozart - symphony no. 3 - 3rd movement 3:43
20. mozart - symphony no. 1 - 2nd movement 4:50
21. adagio - the new world symphony 3:51
22. tchaikovsky - piano concerty no. 1 - 1st 3:22
movement
23. tchaikovsky - sleeping beauty - waltz 6:24
24. beethoven - piano sonata no. 20 - finale 2:37
25. gounod - ballet music from faust: finale 4:35
26. schubert - the unfinished symphony - 1st 4:51
movement
27. rossini - overture: william tell 5:48
28. beethoven - symphony no. 5 - 1st movement 2:35

DISC 2:

1. dvorak - symphony no. 9 in e minor 2nd movement 3:59
2. beethoven - symphony no. 5 in c minor 1st 4:45
movement
3. strauss jr. - tritsch tratcsh polka 4:06
4. back - prelude c major 3:06
5. strauss jr - vienna blood waltz 3:48
6. strauss jr - beautiful blue danube waltz 6:06
7. schubert - symphony no 5 in b flat 2nd movement 3:56
8. beethoven - symphony no 9 in d minor 4th 3:12
movement
9. tchaikovsky - symphony no 4 in f minor 4th 2:58
movement
10. vivaldi - four seasons op 8 concerto no 3 f 5:11
minor
11. tchaikovsky - 1812 overture 3:34
12. grieg - suite no 2 solveig's song 3:34
13. grieg - suite no 1 anitra's dance 3:04
14. grieg - suite no 1 morning 4:24
15. grieg - suite no 1 in the hall of the mountain 3:19
king
16. grounod - ave maria 4:10
17. danza - funiculi funicula 4:21
18. chopin - etude in c minor revolutionary 3:27
19. chopin - etude in g flat major black keys 2:21
20. tchaikovsky - piano concerto no 1 1st movement 5:15
21. debussy - clair de lune 3:27
22. mendelssohn - the italian 4:18
23. mozart - piano concerto no 21 2nd movement 3:06
24. chopin - the minute waltz 2:01
25. debussy - prelude a l apres midi dun faune 3:09

  [ADDED] V.A. - Amadeus O.S.T. (Directors" Edition, 2 CDs) [Soundtrack]
V.A. - Amadeus O.S.T. (Directors' Edition, 2 CDs)

Genre : Soundtrack
Year : 2002
Releaser : panzemeyer
Quality : Q5 (xlevel)

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Both audio CDs come from the DVD box "Amadeus, Directors' Edition" (2002). I saw a release of these CDs hanging around on the net and thought it deserved a better treament than wrong cue sheets, mp3, wrong tags and so on. These classical albums are a nightmare to tag correctly, but I've done my best

Tracklist:

CD1

1. W.A. Mozart - Symphony No. 25 in G Minor, K. 183; 1st Movement [7:51]
2. W.A. Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusic (Serenade), K. 525; 1st Movement [5:41]
3. Giovanni Battista Pergolesi - Stabat Mater, Quando Corpus Morietur and Amen [4:18]
4. Simon Preston & W.A. Mozart - Salieri's March turned into Non piĂą andrai (from Le nozze di Figaro, K. 492) [1:52]
5. W.A. Mozart - Serenade for Winds; K. 361; 3rd Movement [6:09]
6. W.A. Mozart - Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail (The Abduction from the Seraglio), K. 384 / Ich mĂśchte wohl, K. 539 [4:25]
7. W.A. Mozart - Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail (The Abduction from the Seraglio, K. 384) Turkish Finale [1:28]
8. W.A. Mozart - Mass in C minor; K. 427, Kyrie [6:29]
9. W.A. Mozart - Concerto for Flute and Harp, K. 299; 2nd Movement [8:34]
10. W.A. Mozart - Symphony No. 29 in A K.201; 1st Movement, allegro moderato [5:43]
11. W.A. Mozart - Adagio in C minor for Glass Armonica, K. 617 [6:03]
12. W.A. Mozart - Concerto for Two Pianos, K. 365; 3rd Movement [7:13]
13. W.A. Mozart - Symphonic Concertante, K. 364; 1st Movement [13:36]

CD2

1. W.A. Mozart - Zaide; Aria, Ruhe Sanft. [6:25]
2. Giuseppe Giordano - Caro Mio Ben [2:37]
3. W.A. Mozart - Piano Concerto In E Flat, K. 482; 3rd Movement [11:11]
4. W.A. Mozart - Le Nozze Di Figaro Act 3 Ecoo La Marcia [2:31]
5. W.A. Mozart - Le Nozze Di Figaro Act 4, Ah Tutti Contenti [2:35]
6. Early 18th Century Gypsy Music - BubĂ k And Hungaricus [1:16]
7. Antonio Salieri - Axur, Finale [1:14]
8. W.A. Mozart - Don Giovanni, K. 527; Act 2, Commendatore Scene [6:59]
9. W.A. Mozart - Piano Concerto In D Minor, K. 466; 1st Movement [12:19]
10. W.A. Mozart - Die Zauberflote Overture, K. 620 [6:51]
11. W.A. Mozart - Die Zauberflote Aria (No. 14) [2:58]
12. W.A. Mozart - Requiem; Introitus [0:59]
13. W.A. Mozart - Requiem; Dies Irae [1:55]
14. W.A. Mozart - Requiem; Rex Tremendae Majestatis [2:03]
15. W.A. Mozart - Requiem; Confutatis [2:20]
16. W.A. Mozart - Requiem; Lacrimosa [3:50]
17. W.A. Mozart - Piano Concerto In D Minor, K. 466; 2nd Movement [9:53]

Extra info:

- jumpstart enabled: you won't see a complete source until first completion; High priority
- HQ Covers (DVD box front & back, CDs) http://thomsattic.free.fr/amadeus/amadeus.htm
- EAC logs (secure mode)
- replaygained (album gain)

  The Best Classics...Ever !
The Best Classics...Ever !



2005 - The Best Classics...Ever! to kolejny album z serii The Best...Ever!. Tym razem jest to wydawnictwo z muzyką klasyczną. Na czterech płytach znajdziemy ponad cztery godziny muzyki obejmującej najlepsze i najbardziej znane nagrania z kręgu muzyki klasycznej.

wykonawca: Różni wykonawcy
gatunki: kompilacje , poważna / klasyczna
wytwórnia lub dystrybutor: EMI Music Poland
seria wydawnicza: The Best...Ever !
album zawiera: 4 CD

LISTA UTWORÓW:
1. Erik Satie: Gymnopedie No.1
2. Johann Pachelbel: Canon In D
3. Johann Sebastian Bach: Air 'On The G String'
4. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Lacrimosa (Requiem In D Minor K626)
5. Sergei Rachmaninow: Piano Concerto No. 2 In C Minor - II: Adagio Sostenuto (Opening)
6. Antonio Vivaldi: Winter (The Four Seasons) - II. Largo
7. Michael Nyman: The Heart Asks Pleasure First / The Promise (The Piano)
8. Tomaso Albinoni: Adagio In G Minor (Realised Giazotto) (Extract)
9. Gabriel Faure: Pavane (Arr. Craig Leon)
10. Edward Elgar: Cello Concerto In E Minor Op. 85 - I: Adagio - Moderato (Opening)
11. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: Swan Theme (Swan Lake,Act II - No. 10 Scene)
12. Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 5 In C Sharp Minor - IV. Adagietto (Conclusion)
13. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Moonlight Sonata - II: Adagio Sostenuto (Extract)
14. Samuel Barber: Adagio For Strings
15. Karl Jenkins: Agnus Dei (The Armed Man: A Mass For Peace)
16. Gregorio Allegri: Miserere Mei, Deus (VV.1-4 & 17-20)
17. Johannes Brahms: Waltz No. 15 In A Flat
LISTA UTWORÓW:
1. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik - I: Allegro
2. Johann Strauss II: On The Beautiful Blue Danube - Waltz, Op.314 (Extract)
3. Giuseppe Verdi: La Donna E Mobile (Rigoletto)
4. Antonio Vivaldi: Concerto 'L'estate', RV 315 - III: Presto
5. Georges Bizet: Prelude (Carmen)
6. Maurice Ravel: Bolero (Conclusion)
7. Giacomo Puccini: Nessun Dorma (Turando, Act III)
8. Leo Delibes: Dome Epais (Flower Duet) (Lakme, Act I)
9. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 In B Flat Minor Op.23 I. Allegro Non Troppo E Molto Maestoso (Opening)
10. George Gershwin: Rhapsody In Blue (Jazzband Version - Opening)
11. George Frideric Handel: Lascia Chíoi Pianga (Rinaldo) (Arr. Craig Leon & Isobel Cooper)
12. Rachmaninov: Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganani (Op. 43 - Variation 18)
13. Bellini: Casta Diva (Norma, Act I)
14. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Canzonetta Sull'aria (Le Nozze Di Figaro, Act III)
15. Giacomo Puccini: O Mio Babbino Caro (Gianni Schicchi)
16. Franz Schubert: Ave Maria Maria Callas
17. John Williams: Schindler's List Theme
LISTA UTWORÓW:
1. Fryderyk Chopin: Mazurkas Op. 59: No 3 In F Sharp Minor
2. Rimsky - Korsakov: The Flight Of The Bumble - Bee
3. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: (D) Allegro Moderato (Swan Lake)
4. Antonio Vivaldi: Spring (The Four Seasons) - I: Allegro
5. Johann Sebastian Bach: Branderburg Concerto No.3 In G BWV 1048 - I: Allegro Moder
6. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Le Nozze Di Figaro (Overture)
7. Jacques Ofenbach: Belle Nuit, O Nuit D'amour (Barcarolle) (Les Contes D'hoffmann, Act IV)
8. Georges Bizet: Au Fond Du Temple Saint (Temple Duet) (The Pearl Fisher, Act I)
9. Gustav Holst: Jupiter, The Bringer Of Jollity (Conclusion) (The Planets)
10. George Gershwin: Summertime (Porgy And Bess)
11. Edvard Grieg: Piano Concerto Op. 16 A Minor Op.16 I: Allegro Molto Moderato
12. Giuseppe Verdi: Va, Pensiero (Chorus Of Hebrew Slaves) (Nabucco, Act III)
13. Izzy: Suo Gan
14. George Frideric Handel: Zadok The Priest - Coronation Anthem
15. Georges Bizet: L'amour Est Un Oiseau Rebelle (Habanera) (Carmen, Act I)
16. Johann Sebastian Bach: Goldberg Variations Aria
LISTA UTWORÓW:
1. Richard Strauss: Also Sprach Zarathustra
2. Sergei Prokofiev: Montagues And Capulets (Romeo & Juliet)
3. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Symphony No.5 In C Minor
4. Richard Wagner: The Ride Of The Valkyries (Die Walkure)
5. Carl Orff: O Fortuna (Carmina Burana)
6. Antonio Vivaldi: Concerto 'L'inverno', RV 297
7. Antonio Vivaldi: Concerto 'L'inverno', RV 297
8. Gioachino Rossini: Largo Al Factotum (Il Barbiere Di Siviglia)
9. Giuseppe Verdi: La Forza Del Destino (Overture)
10. Charles Gounod: Valse De Juliette (Romeo & Juliette)
11. Giacomo Puccini: Un Bel Di Vedremo (Madama Butterfly)
12. Giuseppe Verdi: Libiamo Ne'lieti Calici (Brindisi) (La Traviata)
13. Pyotr Tchaikovsky: 1812 - Festival Overture Op. 49
14. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Ode To Joy (Choral Symphony)
15. Georg Friedrich Haendel: Hallelujah Chorus (Messiah)

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  Various Artists - BEST MOZART 100 6CD [APE]
Various Artists - BEST MOZART 100 6CD [APE]



DISC 1
1. Symphony No.40 in G minor K550
2. Clarinet Concerto in A K622
3. Symphony No.25 in G minor K183
4. Piano Concerto No.21 in C K467
5. Symphony No.35 in D ‘Haffner’ K385
6. Violin Concerto No.3 in G K216
7. Divertimento in D K334
8. Symphony No.41 in C ’Jupiter’ K551
9. Piano Concerto No.23 in A K488
10. Horn Concerto No.4 in E flat K495
11. Concerto for flute and harp in C K299
12. Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola in E flat K364

Disk 2
1. Le nozze di Figaro (Da Ponte) K492
2. Così fan tutte (Da Ponte) K588
3. Don Giovanni (Da Ponte) K527

Disk 3
1. Der Schauspieldirektor – Overture K486
2. Idomeneo (Varesco)
3. Die Entführung aus dem Serail (Stephanie) K384
4. Die Zauberflöte (Schikaneder) K620
5. O du eselhafter Martin K560
6. Bona nox, bist a rechta Ox K561
7. Essen und trinken K234

Disk 4
1. Piano Sonata in A
2. Serenade for 13 wind instruments in B flat ‘Gran Partita’ K361
6. Das Butterbrot
7. Violin Sonata in E minor K304
8. Variations on ‘Ah, vous dirais - je, maman’ in C K265
9. Serenade in G ‘Eine kleine Nachtmusik’ K525
10. Die Schlittenfahrt K605 No.3
11. Fantasie in D minor K397
12. Divertimento for string trio in E flat ‘Puchberg’ K563
13. Masonic Funeral Music K477
14. Piano Sonata in C K545

Disk 5
1. Sonata for two pianos in D K448
2. Clarinet Quintet in A K581
3. Serenade for wind instruments in C minor K388
4. Flute Quartet No.2 in G K285a
5. Quintet for piano, oboe, clarinet, horn and bassoon in E flat K452
6. Duo for violin and viola in G K423
7. Piano Sonata in A minor K310
8. String Quartet No.17 in B flat ‘The Hunt’ K458
9. Oboe Quartet in F K370
10. Piano Concerto No.26 in D ‘Coronation Concerto’ K537
11. Violin Concerto No.5 in A K219
12. Minuet in D K355
13. Serenade for wind instruments in E flat K375
14. Eine musikalische Spaß in F K522

Disk 6
1. Requiem in D minor (ed. Beyer) K626
2. Laudate Dominum (Vesperae solennes de confessore) K339
3. Ave verum corpus K618
4. Agnus Dei (Litaniae Laurentanae) K195
5. Mass in C minor K427
6. Mass in C K317
7. Exsultate, jubilate K165
8. Regina coeli K127
9. Sancta Maria, mater Dei K273
10. Betracht dies Herz K42
11. An die Freundschaft K148
12. Die Zauberflöte K620

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  101 Classical Greats (5 CD)


Żeby nie było że diablo69 to tylko metalu słucha

Vol.1

01. Mozart - Overture: The Magic Flute (Georgian Symphony Festival Orches) [3:52]
02. Orff - Carmina Burana, O (Fortuna) (Georgian Symphony Festival Orches) [2:36]
03. Bizet - Carmen Suite No. 1, (Aragonaise) (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [2:19]
04. Brahms - Hungarian Dance No. 5 (St Petersburg Festival Symphony Orche) [2:54]
05. Bruch - Violin Concerto No. 1 In G Minor Op. 26 (Adagio) (Philharmonica) [8:22]
06. Barber - Adagio For Strings Op. 11 (Georgian Symphony Festival Orches) [3:47]
07. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 14 In C# Minor. Op. 27 No 2 Moonlight (Adagio/Presto) [5:58]
08. Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto No. 2 In C Minor Op. 18 (adagio Sostenuto) (Georgian SIMI Festiva) [6:47]
09. Tchaikovsky - Sleeping Beauty Op. 66, (The Waltz) (Philharmonica Symphony Orc) [2:43]
10. Chopin - Waltz No. 6 In Db Major, Op. 64 No. 1 (Minute Waltz) (Minute Waltz) [1:51]
11. Mozart - Clarinet Concerto In A Major K622 (Adagio) (St Petersburg Cha) [2:40]
12. Bach - Orchestral Suite No. 2 In B Minor (Badinerie) (Philha) [1:26]
13. Mendelssohn - Symphony No. 3 In A Minor (Scottish) Op. 56 (Vivace NonTroppo) [4:27]
14. Rossini - Overture: William Tell (Georgian Festival Orchestra) [3:08]
15. Grieg - Holberg Suite For Strings, Op. 40 (Prelude.Allegro Vivace) (Bal) [2:49]
16. Puccini - Madame Butterfly (Un Bel Di) (St Petersburg Chamber Orchestra) [3:27]
17. Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker Op. 71a (Chinese Dance) (Georgian SIMI Festival) [1:06]
18. Prokofiev - Romeo And Juliet Op. 64 (Montagus And Capulets) (Georgian Fest) [4:00]
19. Dukas - The Sorcerer's Apprentice (New Philharmonia Orchestra) [4:06]
20. Sibelius - Finlandia Op. 26 (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [2:40]

Vol.2

01. Mozart - Overture: The marriage of Figaro (Georgian SIMI Festival) [4:09]
02. Bizet - Carmen Suite No. 2, Habanera (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [2:04]
03. Boccherini - String Quintet in E Major, Op 11, No. 5 Minuet (St Petersburg) [3:32]
04. Verdi - La Traviata. Brindisi (Drinking Song) (Festival Symphony Orc) [3:13]
05. Tchaikovsky - Pianoo Concerto No 1 in B flat minor. Op 23. Allegro nontroppo [6:27]
06. Schubert - Rosamunde D. 797 Op 26. "Intermezzo" (St Petersburg Chamber Or) [4:09]
07. Dvorak - String Serenade in E major. Op 22 (New Philharmonia) [1:46]
08. Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade Op 35 (Philharmonic) [3:55]
09. Schumann - Scenes from Childhood, Op 15 "Of foreign lands andpeoples" [1:29]
10. Handel - Largo from the opera "Xerxes" (St Petersburg Chamber Festival) [3:55]
11. Vivadi - The four seasons "Spring" in E major Op 8. No 3. Allegro (Philh) [3:13]
12. Mozart - Overture: Don Giovanni (St Petersburg Festival Symphony Orch) [6:19]
13. Beethoven - Overture: Egmont, Op, 84 (St Petersburg Festival Symphony Orch) [5:41]
14. Dvorak - Symphony No. 9 in E mino, Op 95 "From the new world" (Philha) [3:28]
15. Haydn - Symhony no 101 in D major "The Clock" Andante (Philharmonica Symphony) [2:50]
16. Bach - Double Violin Concerto in D minor, BWV1043, Vivace (Georgian) [4:08]
17. Bizet - L'Arlesienne, Suite No.2 Farandola (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [3:19]
18. Grieg - Peer Gynt Suite No 1. Op 46 "Hall of the mountain King" (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestr) [2:46]
19. Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition "Promenade" (Georgian Symphony Festival Orche) [1:44]
20. Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture, Op 49 (Georgian Symphony Festival Orchestra) [6:17]

Vol.3

01. Glinka - Overture Russian and Ludmilla (Philharmonica Symphony Orche) [5:02]
02. Beethoven - Piano Concerto 5 in Eb Major Op 73 (Georgian Sym) [6:14]
03. Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana-Intermezzo (St Petersburg Chamber Orch) [3:33]
04. Chopin - Etude in E Major Op 10 -3 (So Deep The Night) [4:26]
05. Tchaikovski-Swan Lake - Scene (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [1:45]
06. Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto 2 in C Minor Op 18 (Georgian SIM) [6:22]
07. Rossini-Overture - The Barber of Seville (Georgian Festival Orchestra) [3:45]
08. Bizet-Carmen Suite 2 - Danze Boheme (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [3:17]
09. Ravel - Bolero (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [5:16]
10. Pachelbel - Canon in D Major (St Petersburg Chamber Festival Orchestra) [4:49]
11. Handel-Messiah - Pastoral Symphony (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [3:00]
12. Mozart - Rondo a la Turc K331 3 [3:24]
13. Liszt - Hungarian Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra (Georgian Festiva) [3:34]
14. Mendelssohn - Midsummer Nights Dream Op 21 (St Petersburg) [2:20]
15. Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik K525 (St Petersburg Chamber) [4:13]
16. Brahms - Hungarian Dance 1 (St Petersburg Festival Symphony Orche) [3:24]
17. Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake Waltz (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [3:05]
18. Beethoven - Fur Elise [3:29]
19. Rymsky Korsakov - Flight of the Bumble Bee (New Philharmonica Orchestra) [1:35]
20. Khachaturian - Sabre Dance (Georgian Symphony Orchestra) [2:29]

Vol.4

01. Tchaikovsky - Ouverture: The Nutcracker (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [3:05]
02. Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, K525, (Rondo) (St Petersburg Chamber Or) [2:29]
03. Delibes-Coppelia - Czardas (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [3:20]
04. Wagner-Die Walkure - Ride Of The Walkyries (Festival Symphony Orches) [5:29]
05. Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake Op. 20 ( Dance Of The Swan) (Georgian SIMI Festival) [1:41]
06. Vivaldi - Concerto For Mandolin In C Major, RV425, (Allegro) (St Petersburg) [2:48]
07. Bach - Double Violin Concerto In D Minor, BWV1043, (Largo Ma Non Tanto) [6:17]
08. Chopin - Etude In C Minor [3:40]
09. Borodin - Sring Quartet No. 2 In D Major (Notturno Andante) (Nevsky Str) [2:29]
10. Debussy - Prelude No. 8 (The Girl With The Flaxen Hair) [2:40]
11. Borodin-Prince Igor - Polovtsian Dances (Philharmonica Symphony Orche) [3:47]
12. Chopin - Prelude In Db Major Op, 28 No. 15 (Raindrop) (Philharmonica S) [3:47]
13. Rachmaninov - Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini Op. 43 Var. 18 (ArdanteCantabile) [2:48]
14. Sibelius - Karelia Op. 11 ( Intermezzo) (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [4:12]
15. Beethoven - Violin Concerto In D, Op. 61 (Rondo) (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [4:09]
16. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 21 In C Major K467 (Andante) (Georgian Symp) [7:44]
17. Rimsky-Korsakov - Scherezade Op. 35 (Lento Adagio) (Philharmonica Symphony Orc) [3:22]
18. Strauss - Persian March Op. 289 (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [2:14]
19. Offenbach - Orpheus In The Underworld (Can-Can) (Festival Symphony Orches) [2:13]
20. Bizet - Carmen Suite No. 1, Les Toreadores (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [2:23]

Vol.5

01. Bach - Toccata and Fugue in D Minor BWV 565 [5:56]
02. Tchaikovsky - Overture Eugene Onegin (Georgian Symphony Festival Orchestr) [3:29]
03. Mendelssohn - The Hebrides Overture (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [3:45]
04. Saint Saens - Piano Concerto 2 in G Minor Op 22 (Georgian SIMI) [6:02]
05. Mozart-Minuetto Allegro - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik K 525 (St Petersburg) [2:13]
06. Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker Op 71a (Georgian) [2:23]
07. Chopin - Waltz 7 in C Minor Op 64 2 [3:49]
08. Strauss - Overture Die Fledermaus (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [3:53]
09. Vivaldi - The Four Seasons-Autumn in F Major Op 8 3 (Philh) [3:24]
10. Brahms - Hungarian Dance 6 (St Petersburg Festival Symphony Orche) [3:20]
11. Haydn - Symphony 94 in G Major (Philharmonica) [3:59]
12. Bizet - L'Artesienne Suite 2 (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [4:24]
13. Handel - Music from the Royal Fireworks (St Petersburg Chamber Festival) [2:11]
14. Debussy - Prelude a L'Apres Midi d'un Faune (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [3:02]
15. Delibes - Coppelia Waltz (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [2:26]
16. Tchaikovsky - Violin Concerto in D Major Op 35 (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [4:35]
17. Schumann - Scenes from Childhood Op 15 (Traumerei) [2:44]
18. Grieg - Peer Gynt Suite 1 Op 46 (Georgian SIMI Festival Orchestra) [4:22]
19. Smetana - My Country (Philharmonica Symphony Orchestra) [6:08]
20. Dvorak - Symphony 9 in E Minor Op 95 (St Petersburg) [2:51]
21. Handel-Messiah - Hallelujah Chorus. (Baltic Festival Orchestra) [3:43]

  mniej czarnuchow, tylko szkoda bialych
I've been living in Shenzhen, China for 10 years, and sure there's crime here but at 3 or 4 am you can regularly see woung women in mini-skirts & boob tubes walking home alone after a night on the town. How long would they last in London? I left 20 years ago, and never looked back.

Posted by mike cameron on January 16, 2008 10:51 PM

What can I say? If I moan i am a RACIST!! We have to suffer to divide of wealth in this country. Now we suffer the divide of culture. These people want our country. However, most of them flee criminal prosicution in other countries, and wish to abuse our welfare system. Our so called leaders are traitors and should be hung as such. Instead of getting these people out of power, we dont bother voting instead. we should make a stand now! before we perish in the hands of labour and the tories
Posted by Andrew Ridley on January 16, 2008 9:47 PM

The worst side of the torygraph. Why are the immigrant criminals all african or eastern, when the worst of what you suggest is actually European crime from those violent nasty caucasian people. Why are the white british politicians and useless civil service so bad at managing immigration and policing ?

Have you heard of journalism ?
Crimes may be far worse in nature these days, as they would be with progress, but what about quantity and concentration, effects of education, and denial of opportunity ?
I really cant be bothered to explain to you what a good article should contain, youre only interested in pandering to awful grey haired conservatives that still blight us today.
Why is policy and policing so ineffectively run by those true blue white individuals.
Why not discuss the greed and selfishness pushed so hard by the evil government of the eighties now hitting us with a vengenance?
No such thing as community said thatcher. Certainly wasnt when she had finished. And never will it return, now the mantra of money at all costs is set in stone.
Wake up and try to be something of a journalist.
Posted by Intelligent and not white. on January 16, 2008 9:24 PM

I was born and bred in London by the way. There was an effective police force and we had respect for everything. I could write & hundred pages concerning solutions to the current problems. It would be awaste of time. The british establishment has made its bed, so to speak. Live with it or leave, as I did more than 35 years ago. I HAVE NO REGRETS.
Posted by Anton De Bloch on January 16, 2008 9:14 PM

London, and the other major cities...starting to stink of the dynamics of U.S. cities in the 70's and 80's. Soon it will only be a matter of changing the location and date and the 'news' could be UK-today. Thanks Blair & Co.
Posted by N. Waters on January 16, 2008 9:12 PM

So a man is kicked to death in Lancashire, a schoolgirl is attacked within an inch of her life in
North London; so what are our politicians doing to make the streets safer ? Clamping down on private schools! Am I the only one who thinks that priorities are seriously out of kilter here? And
what does the so-called opposition have to say?
Posted by David Lodge on January 16, 2008 8:03 PM

Ken Livingston's answer on the BBC. yesterday was 'People have always complained about Teenagers'. So ?
Posted by brian spooner on January 16, 2008 7:43 PM

I've lived in the same flat in suburban Chingford for nearly 5 years. It's not a bad area, even now, but I can see a number of changes even in that short period that point to a slow decline into a scruffy inner city district like the neighbouring Walthamstow. My local railway station was once clean and pristine. Now it is coated with graffiti. Non-travelling teenagers hang around the platforms menacingly. Skunk is openly smoked on trains late at night. The station's subway is also covered regularly by graffiti in between regular repainting. My car parked on the street has been damaged. Two of my neighbours have been burgled. Speeding cars in the area are common. Naturally the local police are invisible, and, in my experience, ineffective. The Lib-Lab council does nothing for the area. Litter is a problem and, again, graffiti is never far away. OK, no one is using caustic acid here yet but I would happily move out of the area when I can because no political party seems to have any idea how to stop an area like mine from continuing its slide downhill.
Posted by Chingford Man on January 16, 2008 7:38 PM

London is run by the Liberal Middle Classes whose mouthpiece is the BBC. You have a high minded plan for the world and ridicule any voice that opposes you. You deserve all that happens to you.
Posted by P Moor on January 16, 2008 7:23 PM

Sorry but there is a lot of exageration here about how shocking the change is: I am a male in my late 40's, brought up in Glasgow in the 60's and 70's on stories of gang and knife fights, and aware of murders and fighting all around on a sectarian basis, if you wore the wrong kind of shirt in a given part of town you were knifed.
At the time Ulster was going through it's worst excesses with both communities "Tarring and Feathering" members of the community.
After University I moved to London for 20 years and lived through riots in Brixton and Blackwater farm, regular Irish bombings and an peak of a drug fuelled crack violence at least 10 years ago.
I moved out of London for work and still regularrly have to visit, some parts of it are dangerous as are some parts of New York or Paris or Rome. London has never been and will never be like Oxfordshire, but the idea that there was no crime 10, 20 or 30 years ago is a myth!
There have been generations of people moving to London to establish a career and then moving out as they become established there is nothing new here.
The individual case quoted is horrifying and those responsible should be caught and the key thrown away, I do not care if they are black, brown or white and whether they are born here elswhere in the EU or elsewhere. If we never release them then the debate over can we then deport them does not apply, for a crime so horrendous they should never see the outside of a cell again.
We then do need to deal with our judges and legal system, if other EU states operating to the same rules can simply deport illegal immigrants and somehow we can not it is not the EU but our judges that are the problem and that must be within our power to fix.
Posted by Dan on January 16, 2008 7:07 PM

Today 3 young lads convicted of murdering Mr Newlove and in Birmingham 5 men are convicted of murder, thats 8 new lifers in one day! and how many more were there today! and where are we going to put this lot! and at what cost! and the Carnage continues!
Posted by Jay on January 16, 2008 6:59 PM

At last someone who is actually reporting a crime as it should be with the facts...Well done on actually portraying what actually happened and what is happening to our city. I fear for London and this country because of the issues you raised in your article in regard to immigration and the isolation of certain religious groups. I commend your style of reporting and wish more people would report the facts and not be scared of the "politically correct idiots" that seem to prevail these days...
Posted by Mr A Hurford on January 16, 2008 6:53 PM

The "anti-racist" movement is becoming more McCarthyist every day.Posted by Edward Johns on January 16, 2008 6:44 PM

I returned to the UK last year for the first time in 5 years and was shocked at how the country has declined, London especially. Having lived in New York for nearly 5 years I am dreading my return to the UK when my visa expires.
New York had a serious problem and they fought back by hiring more police and putting them on the streets where they could be seen and getting the low lifes off the street. Now statistically it is the safest city in the USA as pointed out by Maddie, but don't be fooled, the figures are "per capita" so there is still plenty of crime in a city of 12 million.
In the UK, will someone have the b*lls to stand up and put the "Great" back into Britain? Tell the EU enough is enough. Stop ALL immigration. Any immigrant found guilty of a crime to be deported AFTER serving their sentence. Make crime PAY. Hard labour should be brought back, so should public flogging and the death penalty. Life imprisonment should mean life. There must be an island off the Scottish coast that could be converted into a prison camp, no guards required, just drop food supplies by helicopter, if the prisoners riot and kill each other good riddance.
Posted by Mark on January 16, 2008 6:35 PM

What worries (frustrates ?) me is that in the forty odd years I have lived in London I was forever reading of these 'horror' events but what is ever done ? And from one to the next whoever remembers ? e.g. the two poor girls raped and tortured in Reading by a gang;one died.Events becomming so common ,who remembers ?
Posted by chris (France) on January 16, 2008 6:24 PM

Although immigrants represent 'only' a small percentage of the population (at the moment) they are concentrated in the cities like London where policy is decided and influenced.
Decisions are therefore rarely based on a more typical rural or suburban mix resulting in law and practice which is unrepresentitive of the population as a whole - you only have to look at the media to see this.
Posted by AL on January 16, 2008 6:15 PM

The narrower a man's mind, the broader his statements.
I live in London, I feel safe, I'm happy, and I'm making tons of money compared with those in the slums of Rio, crime is everywhere, empathise with the victims, but recognise that it's got bugger all to do with race.
Yes that's right, it's not a poorly researched, knee-jerk sensationalist tabloid column - it's 'realism'... Racial prejudice is a thing of the past? You only have to scrape the surface...
Posted by Chris on January 16, 2008 5:21 PM

This piece seems a little melodramatic.
Undoubtedly awful things happen - in big cities
in particular....all over the world (by the way this
story has been in the online rags for a couple of
days). However, as others have said, people have
been leaving London for decades as their lives
changed and their families grew. This is not a
new phenomenon. This article seems to me to
be unsubstantiated, emotional, sensationalism -
more worthy of the Sun I think
Posted by Elizabeth Hare on January 16, 2008 4:49 PM

One problem with the "white flight" that they are leaving to avoid problems in the city, not because they like country areas. This then puts pressure on country folk with increased housing costs, traffic and sometimes, a different way or speed of life being imposed.
Posted by Keith Sisman on January 16, 2008 4:28 PM

The solution to this dreadful situation is enact draconian powers to deal with the anarchy brought about by decades of left wing social policy. The judiciary, academics and senior bureaucrats are as much to blame as the politicians themselves. It seems fitting that when revolutions occur these are often the groups that are strung up.
Posted by johnny on January 16, 2008 4:28 PM

You are being racist when you choose to only highlight crimes by certain ethnic minorities and not provide any balance to your so called article. Ever heard of including statistical analysis or source based research to show the different types of crime taking place in London and how much of it is porportionately committed by all social and ethnic groups? No, you clearly managed to get out of writing simple essays at school. I suppose therefore that white people, or British born Indians, or people in their 30s, don't commit heinous crimes such as rape, or fraud, it must be mainly blacks or pakistanis - how worldly wise you are.
Posted by Piali Ghosh on January 16, 2008 3:40 PM

Ivan Jackson at 8.29am. If you need a hand, let me know!!
Posted by Duncan Jones on January 16, 2008 3:38 PM

Can there be anything worse than hearing or reading about this poor girl Jan Moir has written about in the above article? If there is let us know. We have now reached utter depravity and everyone seems to shrug helplessly and move on. It is time to do something. These five pieces of filth must hang and hang quickly without a whole lot of lousy lawyers yakking about their clients legal rights. Death to all rapists.Posted by rid us of filth on January 16, 2008 3:17 PM

The good people of Britain need a revolution, on value's and what is tolerated, and those that break the laws are punished, and for murders & alike to be put down, and the do gooder's need to understand that if they want there nice world to live in, as they are quite happy to put down a mad dog which attacks any human, the human animal is no different without any alpha male being in charge of the pack, (This Government)
Posted by Steve Pep on January 16, 2008 3:14 PM

The rape and acid attack is so, so utterly horrific. It MUST NOT be allowed to just pass with a shrug as 'one of those things'. A very clear message must be sent to perpetrators and those like them who seem to think that they are living on some sort of free-for-all warzone with no boundaries. The law and our overly-liberal PC society have failed this poor girl with appalling consequences.
Posted by Michael on January 16, 2008 2:32 PM

Apparently, white British people commit crime too...
Posted by Tom S on January 16, 2008 2:10 PM

The most viewed article today, tells a story in itself. 'peaceful producers escaping the legally-protected parasites.' - beautifully put. We can do nothing within the boundaries of the laughable law, so we flee. SOS!
Posted by S.Cotter on January 16, 2008 1:27 PM

It is not only London but many major cities are seeing horrific crimes being committed everyday. I am glad in America we do have capital punishment. In other cases if the criminal is from another country he will serve his time in our fine prison system with many nice large tattooed men who think very little about rapist and child abusers. You can just imagine what could happen. Sometimes justice is served in strange places!
Posted by Theo on January 16, 2008 1:21 PM

"I'm almost embarrassed to say that the attackers have been described as "five black youths", in case you think I'm being racist in highlighting this crime." Embarressed, huh? I have been wondering why journalists are reluctant to reveal the race of a perpetrator. Unless, of course, he is white. Now, if he is White, you put his picture all over the front page and as an example of how evil whites are.
Posted by Sunny Meadow on January 16, 2008 1:02 PM

"I'm almost embarrassed to say that the attackers have been described as "five black youths", in case you think I'm being racist in highlighting this crime."
You have spent too much time with your liberal bigot friends listening to the chatteratti at dinner parties. Reality is going to be terribly unpleasant for you as you are just beginning to see. I suggest you move to the country or even better, France.
Posted by R Jenner on January 16, 2008 12:57 PM

It's almost one o'clock and Telegraph-reader baiters haven't surfaced yet to do the customary sneer at 'Little Englander' concerns.
What on earth can be holding them back?
Posted by Raoul Spengler-McGinty on January 16, 2008 12:56 PM

"If Britain is turning into a diverse country so be it"
Posted by Nicky Griffin-patel

There is no "so be it " about it. A huge percentage of native Brits are not happy at all about this issue and the resulting problems etc. If you don't like what you read find another paper. She certainly wasn't insulting all immigrants in this article.
Posted by Patrick S. on January 16, 2008 12:54 PM

"I'm almost embarrassed to say that the attackers have been described as "five black youths"
Don't you mean "Ashamed" Jan?
You reap what you sow Jan. Political correctness has done more harm than good. If this is not so then why has this country turned in to a place where many inhabitants would rather pull thier finger nails out than live in this Labour social experiment gone rancid.
Posted by Bob on January 16, 2008 12:52 PM

Its about time the Government of this country took a stand. The slide into lawlessness and anarchy needs to be stopped and stopped now.

Solution:
Deport Criminal Immigrants
Murder - Death by hanging
Rape - Castration
Child Abuse - Castration
Assault / GBH - Public Lashing + Salt
Theft - Finger removed for each incident

I may sound like some right wing nazi but I'm not. I'm just a 30-something average joe who wants a quiet, crime-free life. Until there is a proper deterrent to crime it will persist.
Posted by Robin W on January 16, 2008 12:50 PM

Chris Palmer (2:27am)
Rest assured, your long and gratuitous account of the punishments you'd happily mete out to wrongdoers says a whole lot more about you than it does the wider situation.
Back to dungeon with you, you bad boy!
Posted by Grant Hart on January 16, 2008 12:47 PM

Concerning that crime with which the article starts, I can't find any reference to it on the BBC website.
Posted by HedgehogFive on January 16, 2008 12:45 PM

Without a sense of proportion or context you're just indulging in horror which tickles the xenophobes and vents the bile duct of the insecure middle class.
Posted by Peter Franks on January 16, 2008 12:37 PM

If I am to be lied to by a television talking-head then she should at least be pretty. I don't care about "journalist background" (Whatever that means), I care about her, um, well..
Posted by Terry on January 16, 2008 12:32 PM

Please do not think that the severe punishments will proposed here will stop this kind of sickening crime. Should the perpetraitors be caught and found guilty they will be given long sentances anyway. Do you really think that people doing these crimes think they will be caught. No of course not. The key is to look at the reason for the dysfunctionality that causes people to act like this.
Posted by John Julian on January 16, 2008 12:30 PM

"their fairytale, roses-around-the-door belief in the safety of the countryside and the romantic ideal of a thatched cottage for two".

That's not what we leavers want, and we're not trying to get away from the "foreigners" either. London is not the only city in the UK. We left it 5 years ago, for Manchester's suburbs, for the

Takes much less than forty minutes to drive two miles to a friend's house.
You can walk two miles and your clothes will still be clean!
The streets are cleaner.
No black snot.
People are friendlier (because they're not always rushing).
You can get a seat on the train or tram. (NO tube - yippee!)
Excellent choice of excellent state schools.
Shops and services cost less.
Countryside is not far!
I could go on... London is vastly overrated as a place to live - great for visiting, but I'm glad I don't have to bring my kids up there.
Posted by gritch on January 16, 2008 12:27 PM

The author wrote is it racist to mention the race of the perpetrators of a sickening act of violence. Yes it is. Before the bleating starts Crimes are commited every day as equally barbaric such as child rape (almost exclusivly a white male crime) and burglary (which again is a white dominated crime) The problem is one of class rather than race. So to state that Blacks are inherent criminals rather than at the bottoom of the social heap therfore more likely to want to commit crime is Racist.
Thats fine the majority of previous posters are especially the ex-Para (i'm sure the many blacks that have served in the regiment would be included in your re-patriation. Such openley Nazi ideas will get you no-where
Posted by Maximillian von Shirach on January 16,

I hate that female bitchyness in the last item. Don't make us men suffer again, please.
Posted by john A on January 16, 2008 12:21 PM

I'm looking to join the white-flight and I'm not even white!!!
I live in the heart of an 'ethnically diverse' area which isn't the most violent in London, but it's just so scummy. The local job centre seems to be a processing centre for minorities with more than two kids to claim their housing benefits and every other perk they can get.
The white population seems to be shrinking. As soon as it gets dark, there are no whites to be seen apart from the ones in cars.
I've lived overseas before, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore. I'm now feverishly job hunting in those areas.
Thank you very much, Labour and your council agents.
Posted by Jake on January 16, 2008 12:17 PM

Fleeing? I already fled. Now I can live peacefully in the knowledge that my family is safe.
The answer to Martin on January 16, 2008 3:07 AM question is:-
YES.
My answer is NO!
Posted by Nick, Bahamas on January 16, 2008 12:16 PM

In order for the government to clean up the moral decay in parts of London, it would first be necessary for them to kill many of their most sacred policy cows.
The state isn't prepared to sort the problems out, of course then solvent citizens are abandoning London. I shudder to think that the city will be like in 10, 20 years. I moved out with my young family 3 years ago, every time I visit London I thank God my daughter no longer lives there.
Posted by Stanley on January 16, 2008 12:16 PM

Quote: "I hear that the police will stage a 20,000 man demonstration in London(over pay). If they would get 20,000 coppers on the beat every day then things might begin to get better.
Posted by Richard Cr on January 16, 2008"

Yes but every single one of them that will be there will be in their own time, off duty. No work, or duty, or govt. targets missed.
An extra 20,000 officers on the beat would be great. But you have to pay them. Would you work for nothing Richard? The Govt seem to think people should. Would you?
Posted by ghostdog on January 16, 2008 12:12 PM

As one who got out permanently on the second re-election of the grinning imbecile Blair, I subscribe whole-heartedly to Chris Palmer's solution @ 2.27am.
This is a SOLUTION. Recidivism rates will be too small to tabulate. Any chance? Not with the likes of MacCavity Brown and Livingslime in charge of the London. Goodbye, city of my birth, I will remember you with affection, but will not visit your grave.
Posted by Michael Llewellyn on January 16, 2008 12:00 PM

The difference between the the UK and America is that America discourages mulitculturalism and the UK politicians (few of whom have lived in a mixed society) think it is 'liberal' and 'cool' and 'clever' and 'PC' to talk about it over a pink gin. The last time I was in London I certainly felt a deep simmering distrust between different ethnic groups. That can so easily lead to civil strife. I live in East Africa and what I saw in the UK is definitely going in the wrong direction. The UK is too small to have its Jeddahs and Haitis. It is a time bomb masked by platitudes and forced smiles and arrogant politicians with no concept of history.
Posted by Roger Corfield on January 16, 2008 11:58 AM

I may wish later that I had not written this but my reaction to the depravity perpetrated on that poor girl, is to think it is time for a debate on what being human is all about. It is surely more than having arms, legs, an internal skeleton and walking upright. It must also be about behaviour. When 'people' do not know right from wrong, when they use others merely as an outlet for depraved appetites, when they have no conscience - are they truly human?
I might argue they are not fully human and thus all the sanctimonious legislation which protects these creatures should not apply to them. They could then be dealt with like 'mad' dogs, rogue elephants ie animals who behave dangerously and outside the accepted norms for their species and be humanely dispatched.
Posted by Tricia on January 16, 2008 11:57 AM
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re the situation in London: sounds exactly like what New York was like before it was cleaned up and made safe by Mayors Guiliani and Bloomberg.i hesitate to comment on the politics of any other country, since i am sick of the rest of the world criticizing us, but i believe you have a London mayor who is a PC socialist? well, good luck and in the immortal words of Axl Rose, Welcome to the Jungle.
Posted by Jeff Kerr on January 16, 2008 11:55 AM
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"I feel that a dreadful nadir of sorts has been reached"

I hope you are right. I really do.
Posted by Robert Sleigh on January 16, 2008 11:54 AM
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Sorry for mentioning it again, but reading the news in Britain, I see Enoch Powell's words coming to fruition.

The Britain I remember is no longer there - I land in London and met greeting me obviously an immigrant with a heavy accent welcoming me to Great Britain, I go through immigration and customs - another group of people who don't appear to be from the indeginous population. I stopped having my car from a particular car rental company because I was the ethnic and how they spoke to me was disgusting. I stop getting petrol near the airport because I feel threatened and feel out of place. I stop going into the local city centre to shop after 10am because I feel threatened by the yobs, the gangs of men etc. In fact. I will soon stop visiting Britain.
Posted by Karen on January 16, 2008 11:54 AM
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Re: Danny T. on January 16, 2008 1:03 AM

Couldnt agree more.
Posted by Pete on January 16, 2008 11:53 AM
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I thought Polly Filla in Private Eye was based on one of the red top 'writers'. Didn't realise it was you!
Posted by jane on January 16, 2008 11:38 AM
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All's right with the world, our politicians are well guarded and don't have to know about the goings on planet England.
Posted by Conkeyron on January 16, 2008 11:38 AM
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Do you not think that the vast majority of black
families want to escape from these thugs too?
Race has nothing to do with it, horror stories of
rape, muggings, robbery and murder from
Edinburgh, Newcastle, Liverpool and such as
mostly committed by white youths. Don't lump
people together by race, it's lazy writing,
kneejerk judgements and will get us nowhere.

Yes there are immigrant thugs and gangsters,
but they form the same sort of percentage of
their race in this country as white people.

It's not "white flight", it's "I can afford it" flight,
and it goes for all races.
Posted by Christopher on January 16, 2008 11:33 AM
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I echo Guy's comments (02.38)but note that he still loves his country. Like Long Gone to Australia (03.40) I can see no remedy at all for the sorry stae of modern Britain - short of implementing the measures proposed by Chris Palmer (02.27). Forget the politicians - no moral fibre or principles. My fantasy is that HM The Queen will actually RULE again. Imagine if she called for an end to all the decline of the pat 10 years we have seen in all our institutions! True Britons would heed the call and soon put things back to rights!
Posted by Another expat Brit on January 16, 2008 11:31 AM
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The answer to Martin on January 16, 2008 3:07 AM question is:-

YES.
Posted by Ex Londoner on January 16, 2008 11:25 AM
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What the author of this piece has done is present us with a reason why people may "flee" from London. Many of the comments on this page have not considered other reasons such as the price of houses in london, perhaps people have made their money and have decided to get out of the rat race.
One comment suggested that most big cities were the same in terms of crime and this I believe to be true of the big cities in Britain.
This is something that has not changed in 25 years this is nothing new! What we really need is to use the exhorbitant amount of tax to fund the police and give them the powers necessary to prevent crime, the key word being prevent.
Finally the 5 youths who committed the atrocious act may have been born in this country so where do we send them back to? The comments have made the assumption that these criminals are from another country. I think it more likely that they are born and bred Britons. Finally most people coming to this country are looking for honest work and are not some sort of viking horde here to rape and pillage the British nation.
Posted by Anon on January 16, 2008 11:13 AM
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Is it racist to point out that some of the most heinous crimes in living memory have been commited by Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, Fred West, Harold Shipman, Peter Cook, Ian Brady, Iain Huntley, Beverly Allitt, Myra Hyndley, Denis Nilsen.
What have they got in common ? They are British and white !!
Posted by David Dee on January 16, 2008 11:12 AM
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No doubt McBean-The-Unelected will take a leaf out of Stalin’s book and relocate us all around the towns, cities and countryside to meet his quotas and targets of ‘forced integration’.

Posted by Lickyalips on January 16, 2008 11:12 AM
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Personally, I have always detested London other
than as a place to visit.

I have an old GWR poster in my study that says
"London: Heart of Empire" on it. I am sure that in
those days it really was a great place.

Nowadays, I have left the UK for NZ and never
looked back. I have not missed the UK - I read
this paper on line because world news reporting
in NZ is not very comprehensive ( a cat up a tree
in Dunedin would get higher coverage!).

When we visit, we rent a house in France and
invite friends and family to join us. Have not even
set foot in the place in 8 years!
Posted by Enoch P on January 16, 2008 11:07 AM
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you can write what you like but it wont change a dam thing.

Posted by steve d on January 16, 2008 11:06 AM
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Chris Palmer, 2:27am, may have the perfect answer but this is what will really happen.
IF they are caught they will go through a protracted series of analyses to determine if they should stand trial or whether their human rights will be violated. Assuming they are taken to trial some sleazy lawyer will argue that unless the girl will identify each one individually they will escape prosecution because it could not be proved which one(s) raped her. Then because all right thinking people (including the black community) will want to kill them they will be given new identities, money, houses and a new life at your expense. I say your because I left ages ago and am safe in the Middle East and rural France. Good luck
Posted by Mike in Dubai on January 16, 2008 10:59 AM
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"Nation: A body of people marked off by common descent, language, culture, or historic tradition whether or not bound by the defined territorial limits of a state". The Chambers Dictionary.
Posted by John on January 16, 2008 10:58 AM
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I left the UK seven years ago to go and live and work in the USA. I am amazed at how the level of violence has continued to increase over this time in the UK. When I compare the two countries the USA is a much safer place to live. The American people have a level of respect towards each other that no longer exists in the UK. I feeling more ashamed every day to say that I'm British given how the country has gone down hill. I think that the government and the liberal "Do-Gooders" are to blame for the falling standards. Criminals need to be locked up not smacked on the back of the hand. The US justice system may not be perfect, but if you do wrong you will be punished accordingly.
Posted by Martin Thomas on January 16, 2008 10:56 AM
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I'm leaving London because (1) there are no good schools for my kids, (2) the housing association have 3 houses in my street, in which they have installed drug dealers (early morning police raids loose thier novelty value after the first one), (3) I now feel like a foreigner
Posted by Shaun OKane on January 16, 2008 10:51 AM
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"Mohair is sexy. It's glamorous, but there is no pong. Heaven sent for smelly feet." We can all imagine how much these things matter in North Yorkshire.
What do you mean by this exactly?
Posted by Yorkshireman on January 16, 2008 10:50 AM
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I agree that there is an issue and that we all need to face up to. Our inner cities are going the way that many in the US have done. It is not too late to take them back. My overriding question is - where are the parents in all of this? They have a responsibility as citizens and we must ensure they shoulder it. they need to stop believing "my son/daughter wouldn't do anything like that". They should know and understand where they are. And what do the Police receive in all this? - criticism for not acting and when they do act legal action and complaints from parents. We need to stop being scared and act or we'll descend into the Armageddon we all anticipate.
Posted by John Nairn on January 16, 2008 10:45 AM
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I'm not surprised, the country has been going wrong for a long time. There is no discipline, there is too much finding excuses for people stepping out of line, blaming society, anyone but the person themselves. This PC concept has gone completely overboard, bending over backwards not to offend foreigners, etc while they should be the ones that bend to fit in with the culture of the country they moved to. That is the way it is in most other countries & continents.
That is also the reason I left the UK 9 years ago & have no intention of moving back!
Posted by Happy in Italy on January 16, 2008 10:44 AM
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Slough has a shifting population... whatever immigrant group is the "in crowd". At one time it was Hindus, Sikhs, and Moslems, and Afro-Caribbeans, who I got on with very well. It was very colourful, relaxed and cheerful. Nowadays it is a mixture of Europeans, co-existing uneasily.
My youngest lives in East Dulwich. She might go shopping in Peckham in broad daylight, but certainly wouldn't even drive through there at night, even with all the car doors locked.
Reading is a no go area at night.
If I had the money I'd head for New Zealand. Unfortunately, owing to the large amount of money used to support illegal aliens, and the large amounts paid to the EU, this government can't afford to give me a decent pension, so I can't even afford a holiday, let alone emigrate.
How come we can afford to pay Child Benefit for Polish children who don't even live here, but ex-pats don't get the Pension increases?
Posted by Beryl on January 16, 2008 10:43 AM
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Our cities, and increasingly our nation, are simply Macdonalds; easy-entry, adolescent, sustenance- free temples of cheap excess.

Sir Trevor Phillips has kindly allowed us to criticise ethnic communities, so that's OK. But like all leaders in modern Britain, he's positioned right behind the directionless drift of state-subsidised minority social groups into tribal conflict.

The silent British tradition of "watch this space" will of course persist, just as there are "more fish in the sea"; although a few observers have noticed the latter is somewhat suspect and are sensibly refocusing on "exit this space"
Posted by Ken Robertson on January 16, 2008 10:34 AM
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I've been an expatriate for more than 25 years. On those occasions I did return during that period, it was dramatically apparent to me, particularily in London, that the presence of multicultural residents may have quadrupled during my absence. In most other countries we would never be given the same rights there as those nationals enjoy in our country. Nor would the behaviour in those lawless immigrants in UK be tolerated by the governments of those other countries. UK has probably liberalised its democracy so much in the past that it is now in danger of being taken over by by all that is undesirable in a civilised stste. UK democracy obviously doesn't work as expected, irrespective of party politics and today we are reaping the rewards for bad judgements in the past. Beware! Recall the events in Fiji where the number of immigrants increased so much that indigenous Fijians were outvoted in their own 'democratic elections' yet those immigrant's home country had passed laws to prevent immigrants standing for election there.
Posted by Ricardo Campagna on January 16, 2008 10:34 AM
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Get the swaggering peak capped police out of their cars (i.e. those on Police, camera, action etc) and from behind their speed cameras, plonk a good, old-fashioned helmet on their heads and dump them in the estates to patrol on foot, day and night.

Murder is committed daily in our larger towns and where are the police? Cruising by in air-conditioned comfort.

Mind you, there's always plenty to be found after the event, crawling over the ground looking for clues.
Posted by David Roberts on January 16, 2008 10:30 AM
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Long Gone, Australia on January 16, 2008 3:40 AM - "Make no mistake, you will all pay for years and years to come for embracing the Blair Way and frankly you bl**dy well deserve it!"

Thanks, but some of us weren't so gullible (even back in '97) to believe their lies. I hope you are enjoying your life in Oz.
Posted by Wen on January 16, 2008 10:24 AM
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I moved out of London at the back end of 2006 although many of my contemporaries remain there. I echo the sentiments of many contributors here. Sadly, the iron grip of the Human Rights Act works in concert with a policy of unrestricted immigration to prevent the necessary action. With immigration networks being run by increasingly sophisticated and ruthless criminal gangs, the cost of resolving these problems is likely to be astronomical.

As with most of my posts, this tends towards pessimism. However, given the inexorable downward trend in terms of quality of life, one wonders how long the 'chattering classes' (as they are often called) can live in a state of denial. Also very poignant to point out that he problems are not confined to London. 3 million people have come in from Poland alone (2 million net) With Turkey (population 70 million) and Ukraine (population 40 million plus) due for access to the EC and thus the UK, expect it to get far,far worse across a far laarger swathe of the country
Posted by Van Patten on January 16, 2008 10:23 AM
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'It really is not "White Flight" per se, but the peaceful producers escaping the legally-protected parasites. ' Thank you Danny. That's it. But try telling the loony lefty brigade that. We've all put up with their manifestations for far too long now. They've turned this country into an absolute bloody hell on earth with their tinkering and meddling. But it's no use trying to get them to admit that they got it wrong as they’re far too arrogant and self righteous for that and cannot take criticism. They live in an abstract and peculiarly mad dream world of impracticable and unworkable ideals and cannot separate right from wrong. They’ll see a quote from Marx and think they’ve found the Holy Grail. They’re an impediment to creating a true healthy society and will call those that don’t agree with them ‘fascists’ when it’s they themselves who are the real fascists. So, it’s quite simple really: Socialism is really Fascism… Socialism equals Fascism…
Posted by stevgillamos on January 16, 2008 10:22 AM
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There is nothing racist in stating that this disgusting crime was committed by 5 black youths. May the perpetrators serve their lives in prison with their backs to the wall, and then rot in hell.

However, the quote "a great termite nest of law-breaking and corruption grows by the day, nourished by immigrants" most certainly is racist, as is the whole tenor of the article. This is merely the latest in a long line of racist scaremongering, and will no doubt produce the predictable knee-jerk reactions.
Posted by Andrew Dale on January 16, 2008 10:19 AM
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I'm not a religious man but the way society is going I'll be glad when Jesus comes back and cleanses the streets of all the scum because I'm sure that neither the police or any government as of now are capable of doing so.

Posted by Gareth on January 16, 2008 10:19 AM
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With so many politicians either children of immigrants themselves or in the pay of foreign businessmen, it is no wonder the borders are wide open. Don't be fooled into thinking this is done for our benefit, when did you ever hear someone say "There are too many houses and jobs, and crime is tame compared to Los Angeles, we need a few million immigrants to come and stir things up a bit things up".
Posted by Chris White on January 16, 2008 10:15 AM
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Back in the 1970s the FBI produced statistics that showed 65% of all reported crime in the USA was related to minority racial groups. Thats a fact. However we all know that in America if you dont make money that you are considered slightly subnormal because its the American dream to be rich. In Britain we have reached the same point. As a pauper my family want nothing to do with me since they are exceedingly rich. They think I will ask for some handouts so there is no contact. In all probability being a member of a minority group adds some social pressures to any feeling of alienation. Money is a big divider but there are other cultural barriers like religion. Crime is when all moral values and personal responsibilty are tossed into the gutter. That happens if you are no longer welcome in your own society. Being poor is also a bit of a downer!
Posted by muggeridge on January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
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Ribena is the trade name of a particularly popular blackcurrant cordial, diluted with water to drink (often by children, but also very valuable as described with hot water for colds or in a thermos flask for a long hill walk.....)

Isn't it true that squash/cordial as a children's drink is a peculiarly British habit?
Posted by V Brown on January 16, 2008 10:10 AM
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Many of those decent citizens who have left have come out here to work on the black, avoid paying tax and generally cheat the system. They will tell all and sundry that they left Britain to get away from the cheating immigrants.
Posted by Fair Player France on January 16, 2008 10:10 AM
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The purpose of the Labour government is to replace gradually the existing population with those who they believe will support it in future. White flight is exactly what Labour wants - but perhaps at a slower pace to avoid making matters too plain.

Every article about what is happening is larded with apologies and disclaimers for mentioning the obvious. No wonder we are in a mess. No wonder the population is cowed by fear which some interpret as apathy.
Posted by Mike Newland on January 16, 2008 10:08 AM
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Fleeing is not the answer. We must fight back with whatever it takes.
Posted by EX-BRAT on January 16, 2008 10:06 AM
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Is it possible that people we would term as
criminals thirty years ago have taken control of the
country at all levels?
Posted by Scott on January 16, 2008 10:06 AM
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Remove illegal immigrants, bring back capital punishment, corporal punishment, kill Political Correctness and never ever ever vote socialist as long as you have breath in your body. But that is too hard for the liberal bigot idiots. So emigrate, as the country is a ^&*( hole.
Posted by P O Halleran on January 16, 2008 10:05 AM
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This will remain the norm while the Left are in power. The question is, will the conservatives have the intelligence and the fortitude to do something about it? Sadly, in Australia, that has not been the case. I hope it will be different for Britain.
Posted by Barry, Canberra, Australia on January 16, 2008 10:04 AM
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Long gone is right. This violent, stupid, rubbish "multicultural" society has been largely created by its self-serving rubbish government, for which the British people have repeatedly voted. Give me one-party, no-nonsense Singapore any day. They do multiculturalism and social order rather better.
Posted by outofit on January 16, 2008 10:02 AM
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Is it any wonder that respect is breaking down when out own Prime Minister cannot be bothered to ask whether we want the EU reform treaty constitution and a Blair president ( don't think the two are not linked ) or even keep our own body parts. The whole lot stinks.
Posted by mystickmeg on January 16, 2008 10:00 AM
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Why are people fleeing London?

For better or worse, it's called "White flight" and it's been going in the US for quite some time.
Posted by John J on January 16, 2008 9:58 AM
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Fancy London doing a repeat of New York circa 1950? Let's hope it doesn't take 50 years to figure out what Rudy Guiliani did in New York - the public perception of crime matters and visible results matter more than statistics.
Posted by Nick on January 16, 2008 9:55 AM
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Multicultureism good or bad ?

if you have 5 Mins do a search on ,,,,,"Christian Newsom murders"
Posted by Basil on January 16, 2008 9:48 AM
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Packing up and going - yes! That's me!

Not "white flight" at all - I don't care two hoots what colour people are. I am not leaving to get away from non-whites. The roaring racism evident in these many posts is terrifying and will lead....who knows where? But I don't want to be here when the race riots begin in earnest.

Leaving London, where I have lived all my life, is a horrible choice to have to make. And I am going the whole hog - getting out of the UK. I do not see a bright future for this country right now.

Correct me if I am wrong. Please do.

But do not insult me by alleging I am unpatriotic.
Posted by Goodbye Blighty on January 16, 2008 9:46 AM
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Those animals who raped that young girl should be physically castrated.

I think for too long we as a society have pussy footed about over serious crimes like Rape.

The indignity and violation that young woman has had to go through is unacceptable.

All those men should be imprisoned for life and made to stay for life. They should never be allowed to walk the streets again and pose a threat to other women.

If the government does not start to act on crimes like this the people will.

Posted by Ms. Emily Turner on January 16, 2008 9:42 AM
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Visit London and see the multicultural hell holes for yourself. The BNP would be in power now if they weren't so stupid.
Posted by GAZZA on January 16, 2008 9:40 AM
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London is and always will be, a group of villages stitched together. Most of the more attractive parts of London are usually under construction - look at Scotts Corner in Knightsbridge for instance. South Kensington Underground Station and it's environs are a disgrace,quite apart from the lack of English spoken and the permanent wail of Police sirens. I lived in London in the '60's and '70's when it was civilised, now thank God I never have to go there. David Smith, Cannes
Posted by David Smith on January 16, 2008 9:40 AM
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Jan Moir shows her own prejudices in saving her most disparaging line for "certain sectors of the middle class are fleeing from inner London like pashmina-wrapped lemmings". Yes Jan, you are part of the problem.
Posted by pewkatchoo on January 16, 2008 9:39 AM
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Although Hindus by birth, my wife and I have taught our children the Bible from the age of 2. We celebrate Christmas and take pride that our children have a very good knowledge of English history.
However England is no longer the country of sportsmanship, fair play and tolerance. Although India also lacks many of these things we have decided to return so that our children will obtain a reasonable education. The country is dynamic and if any traditional English folks would like to join us please do.
I will miss merry old England: moving to Spain or France could not be the same

Posted by vish on January 16, 2008 9:37 AM
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An interesting article. We have also had the pleasure of hearing about home grown terrorism on the news this morning.

This situation has been bought about by antidemocratic political extremists who have overridden the will of the electorate and imposed multiracialism. I am talking about the Labour and Conservative parties.

It's time for change.
No I don't mean the LibDems
Posted by ian on January 16, 2008 9:29 AM
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Just to reiterate that crime trends, with will, can change; in 2007, Chicago recorded the lowest homicide rate since 1965 and New York the lowest since 1963. Crime has been decreasing for years in both places.
Posted by Maddie on January 16, 2008 9:26 AM
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That's right, Jan Moir, get out of London - it certainly won't miss you, judging from this article.

I can't express how annoyed I get that the Telegraph - theoretically a patriotic newspaper - hates Britain and its people with such a vengeance, as to do so many of its readers.

Jan, no one is saying modern London is perfect, but your 500 words or so of semi-coherent, unconnected, mealy mouthed, solution-free pap expresses absolutely nothing. Honestly, it sounds like you'd never visited London in your life and learned all you knew about it from the pages of the Daily Mail.

I'm genuinely surprised such a well renowned paper would even print this.

This is simply the latest in a decades-long succession of poorly thought out hell-in-a-handcart nonsense written about London. At the time of writing, the city has not yet collapsed into anarchy, split irreconcilably along racial lines, been struck down from heaven etc etc.

I am in no way discounting the unimaginably horrible ordeal of the girl mentioned, or those of any of the other victims of terrible crimes. But when will you - any journalist - realise that a small number of crimes, sensational and appalling as they may be, do not sum up a city?

You mention: "I'm almost embarrassed to say that the attackers have been described as "five black youths". Why? Many black community leaders have been saying for years that there is a problem of crime and antisocial behaviour among young men from the Afro-Caribbean population. Hadn't you noticed? Or do you think you're being 'brave', perhaps even 'non PC'?

Unlike, I imagine, most of your readers, I live in a part of London you would probably say is 'divided' along racial lines - between Camberwell and Peckham, close to several of last year's shooting incidents involving teenagers.

Sure, it has its problems, notably street crime, but we all rub along perfectly well.

And the "decent, law-abiding citizens" as you put it are not only leaving London, many of them are arriving where I live - families from African countries like Ghana and Nigeria. You couldn't find a more God fearing, hard working lot. It might be a surprise to you but it's not only the white middle classes who can be decent and law abiding.

One final point: I'd counter that unaffordable housing is responsible for far more people leaving London than crime.
Posted by Robert Mould on January 16, 2008 9:21 AM
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James Nolan 1:30am
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May I suggest the Guardian or the Big Issue.
Failing that, try Alice in Wonderland.
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Posted by Phil Kean on January 16, 2008 9:20 AM
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Until the people Great Britain terminate their love affair with socialism, this sad state of affairs can only get worse. I know my rights!
Posted by A Osborne on January 16, 2008 9:19 AM
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Hats off to the Bishop of Roch'ter and Jan for the courage to call a spade a spade.

But has Jan only now awakened to the "cesspit of senseless urban crime" decease creeping through London, B'ham, B'ford, G'gow et el?

Savages yes but please don't elevate those vermin to "hunting like pack of animals", at least they eat their prey.

New York saw the writing on the wall, had the courage to bring in true zero tolerance, and the tide turned against these vermin. Wonder if London-UK ever will.

I threw in the gauntlet, "Escaped from London" and "expated" to Abu Dhabi. There is a wonderfully simple zero tolerance here (one strike, any strike, and you are out - of the country!) that maintains its (must be true) 'safest city in the world' slogan.

One thing for sure, decency starts at home. So does decadence. Will the last decent person to leave London et al please switch off the lights...

Posted by manoj on January 16, 2008 9:15 AM
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Realist, not Racist!
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JAN, just say it as it is!

I wouldn't rent a house to a foreign criminal, an illegal immigrant or an un-vetted foreign stranger.
I would be regarded as incompetent & neglegent & would probably have my insurances recinded due to my irresponsibility.

BUT, UNLIMITED-UNREGULATED-UNVETTED immigrants are being admitted to the UK by this EU/LABOUR regime on our behalf, in defiance of OUR wishes, to exist among us at great risk to our safety & quality of life.

Reality is this: TV News reports are filled with the most vicious & outrageously NON British type crimes every day.
It seems to me that about 90% of these crimes appear to be committed by NON indigenous UK residents, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS!
In fact, we've constantly argued against this madness.

Things have to change. The short term must see an erradication of this shameful & corrupt EU/Labour regime.
Secondly, we must hold to account & pressure the incoming Conservative adminustration to do, AS WE ASK!

If not, & we get the usual old 'Claptrap' about them being there to do as they think & not what we want, then we must create a movement for political change.

If the Conservatives fail to reverse Labour's damage & restore democracy & control, then we MUST instigate resistance & restore it ourselves.
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Posted by Phil Kean on January 16, 2008 9:15 AM
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I don't remember reading about this appalling attack in The Telegraph- it may have been in the paper?Apparently, there is now so much in the way of violence and other atrocious activity that if it was all published there would be no room in a typical newspaper to accommodate it all, and people do not wish to be assailed by a tidal wave of awfulness, so we just get the news editor's recorded "lowlights" regarding the terminal decline of law and order across the nation. Of course, London is the place where according to the Metropolitan Police commissioner, crime has fallen so much, you can leave the house unlocked. It appears that if you are female, then it's probably not safe to walk the streets- a minor matter of concern for this preening policeman known for his serial errors of judgement.
Posted by Nick R on January 16, 2008 9:14 AM
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That is one of the most evil crimes I've ever heard about.

Posted by James on January 16, 2008 9:10 AM
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It was ever thus, unfortunately, as it is in most big cities. But I never tire of London and must have been hundreds of times - I'd take it any day rather than some dull place in the sun.
Posted by tony on January 16, 2008 9:08 AM
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the step towards a Solution to the violent crime everywhere, is of course to get rid of the New Labour party, including of course Ian Blair. Second put police back on the streets in force with nightsticks and the tazers they like so much. I know this will lead to a huge drop in revenues from beleaguered motorists, but it would be worth it. Does the EU directed mass immigration work?.. no. Just look around with the PC goggles off. I am truly shocked at what that young girl has endured. What has been done to that child is perhaps something we will see more of because of the infatuation with DNA. It could be argued that DNA databases are creating even more callous criminality as well as grievious and unnecessatry damage to victims. My view is an okd fashioned one...revive conscription: a stint in a combat zone will do wonders for these headcases. Revive corporal punishment in schools: how much longer before these governmental nincompoops realise how important this is; at least to boys. Then of course proper crime and punishment procedures: won't happen under new labour of course(or any government that rules through fear because of moral bankruptcy), but this is urgent. Most important; get out of the EU, it is killing britain already, only the blind can't see it.
Posted by harry fredericks on January 16, 2008 9:08 AM
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Moir may choose to live in London but I'll bet that it's in one of those middle class ghettos like Clapham where the only foreigners she'll encounter are the odd Polish cleaner who sure as hell won't live there. This is so typically middle class. Just dump the horror story of immigration on the ordinary people of England and then use words like racism. A recession may well bring a very ugly backlash.
Posted by Paul Dennis on January 16, 2008 8:55 AM
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This is ridiculous.

What a nonsense, ranting article.
The most annoying non-point; if 500k people left London last year I would have thought you need to confirm that this is a marked increase on previous years to use it as a supporting point.

The fact that you didnt suggests it isn't. Indeed, I thought it was actually a small figure and one that reflects migrating new families. Equally, I suspect the amount of people coming in to London is bigger than 500k, a logical turnover that has always existed, but that's probably discountable because theyre predominantly Eastern European and / or slightly browner than 'us'.

Oh, and bring back hanging.

Moron, this is sub Daily Mail.
Posted by Bentley on January 16, 2008 8:54 AM
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"You said:
"I'm almost embarrassed to say that the attackers have been described as "five black youths", in case you think I'm being racist in highlighting this crime."
Is it racist to tell the truth?
Posted by Martin on January 16, 2008 3:07 AM"

Yes!

We've brought this on ourselves by allowing our government to shoehorn a cornucopia of cultures into one which will ultimately shrivel and die. They've allowed the overpopulation of the country with the dregs of Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe with no thought to the opinions of the indigenous population and then hold their hands up in amazement when crime soars. We merely have to accept it or be arrested for being racist because, as we all know, we can't point out the truth if it's an inconvenient